POLL: Does Ban on Gays Hurt Boy Scout Organization?
Despite protests, the 112-year-old organization has decided the exclusion of gay participants is the best decision for the Boy Scouts of America.
A Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent — but not gay.
After a two-year review, the Boy Scouts of America on Tuesday reaffirmed its decision to exclude homosexuals from participating in the 112-year-old organization's events.
The group cited parental support, as being the main driver in keeping the policy.
Deron Smith, a national spokesman for the Boy Scouts, told The Associated Press that an 11-member committee thought the decision "is absolutely the best policy" for the organization.
However the decision has drawn criticism from the gay community. Darlene Nipper, deputy executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, told AP that the Scouts, "have turned their backs on a chance to demonstrate fairness, exercise sound judgment, and serve as a role model for valuing others."
What do you think? Should the Boy Scouts accept openly gay members into the organization? Should the organization be allowed to limit membership?
Vote in our poll and then sound off in the comments section below.
Laura
12:50 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Our children are growing up in a world that is exposing them to all kinds of lifestyles. You should not teach them to make anybody who was brought up differently or thinks different should be excluded from a Christian based community. The Bible says to come as you are and through love and kindness of christian people you will see the light of God. And if you are without sin, you may cast the first stone. Why was this said? Because he loved all of mankind. He forgave them for their sins. He did not want us to be the judge and jury of the people. Lets teach our children to love and respect others. And show the others that we can still love them and that we have not labeled them as outcast of society.
SDR
10:18 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Thanks for the great, vital lesson of love taught by Christ Jesus. Now for the rest of the story. When the accusers of sexual immorality left the woman alone with Jesus, He told her, "Go and sin no more."
william clark
11:44 pm on Thursday, July 26, 2012
Laura : Christ commands His People to expose those people and their sins , He said to reprove them before all. Yes God Loves His people and has commanded all men to repent and believe the Gospel, and said that ye must be Born again of the spirit. Christ did not condone the womans sin, He told her to go and sin no more.Christ knew she had sinned , but those men who broght her also had done the same sin as the woman. that is why they left , Christ knew their heart and what they had done as to this matter of sexual misconduct . God is first Holy, this is what most today forget.
Luke Brown
1:38 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
If more Christians understood Christ the way Laura does, churches would be overflowing on Sunday mornings.
When I was growing up, I was a Boy Scout from the time I was old enough, until I graduated. Four boys in my troop became Eagle Scouts while I was there. All four deserved it, as they were wonderful examples of what it meant to be a Scout and serve as a leader and mentor to other boys. Later I found out that two of these four were gay. The only effect this information had on me was to make me ashamed of all the jokes and degrading references to gays I had made in and out of their presence in the years I was a Scout.
PS Laura, they both have moved out South Carolina to a more accepting environment ... and are both very strong followers of Christ.
william clark
11:55 pm on Thursday, July 26, 2012
Luke: you can't be a christian and be a Homosexual . there is no such thing in Gods word. God condemns that type of sexual conduct. it is taught all though the Holy Bible which is God's word to man . to be taken in by this worldly religion of the devil is catching alot of well meaning people in that lie. The Scout oath begins with "On my Honor" I will do my best to "God" and my Country, see God comes first , and the scout says they will keep Morally straight". So you see those scouts who say they were Homosexuals were not Honest, they were "deceivers" and that is the worse type . and their surely not Christian. They can't be and still live that lifestyle of sin before a Holy and Just God. There is no repentence in them by their own words .
Bridget Winston
3:28 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
The ban on gays is one reason I have not signed my boys up for Scouts. I know other parents who share that view. It makes me wonder if the parental feedback they considered was solely from current Scout parents who have no problem with the ban, or whether they sought input from parents who would love to take advantage of all the benefits offered by Scouts, if only a spirit of inclusiveness and nonjudgmentalism were among them.
SDR
10:20 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Why is it always a mark of the tolerant to be intolerant to those they disagree with?
JoSCh
5:05 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
SDR, please show me where Ms Winston is being intolerant of the BSA. Or is choosing not to support an organization intolerance to you? Words mean things, and it's gone beyond ignorance with you; willful ignorance is stupidity. Quit being so fvcking stupid.
SDR
8:31 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
Thanks for your tolerance ,JoSCh
Now we see the real you.
JoSCh
9:24 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
I think that the meaning of tolerance has foiled you again SDR. I will definitely own up to being intolerant of willful ignorance. That is for certain the real me.
william clark
12:05 am on Friday, July 27, 2012
Bridget: I was A Scout back in the late 40's and we did not allow Homosexuals in the org. then . it was not to be allowed . the standards were to keep young men as Moral and upright and believers in God and Christ and the Moral precepts that the Bible teaches. These type of people want to destroy every org. and close every church door that speaks against their immoral sexual lifestyle. This is their agenda from the beginning do not be deceived by them or the churches that have caved in to their intolerance , read what God's word says of them and others who sin against God and man . can you believe what 1.5 % of our population has done to society and the Family unit so far ?. it is a shame and a sin what they are doing in the name of "Lust"
JoSCh
8:54 am on Friday, July 27, 2012
If there were no gay scouts in your troop then there were some liars...
I've seen nobody on this thread trying to close any church doors. Quite the contrary.
Also, unsurprisingly you're another intolerant person who doesn't know what intolerance means.
Shalom \Aleichem
3:34 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Luke Brown—a former circuit judge—and Laura—to their sorrow
Went walking one day and questioned God about Sodom and Gomorrah
And at their question God understood that it wasn’t Him they feared
God stayed God—which is who He is—but Luke and Laura…disappeared !!!
Laura
5:13 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
And there were some who were saved because they beleived in God and his word. Even though all the evil that was going on around them. They did not try to be God, not try to punish as God would. They left it in the hands on God and tried to live as Christians.
billy james
10:07 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
That is correct shalom--God and his laws do not change! People change God's law for their own acceptance and one day to their own shame...."Acceptance" is not God's law--You can love the sinner but hate the sin.....
Laura
5:10 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Even though all this evil was going on around them, some were saved because they beleived in God and his word. As I said: We are NOT God so we do not judge like God, we beleive in him and his words. Try to live like a christian and do on to others like you would like done on to you!
Dave
5:39 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Thank GOD we have Jesus' example of what "Love" is to go by and something that we all should aspire too. The commandment "Love thy neighbor" didn't say, except those who think differently than you ... Who did Jesus hang out with while among us?!? It is NOT our place to judge what sin is or who is living in it ... Live your life how you feel is just and right to God, but don't expect everyone else too! ... Just saying...
Me Here
2:52 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Judgement passed by the BSA? Where was an opinion on gays or their role in our society passed?
Scary how people can't distinguish private from public. Some kind of Robin Hood mentality? Not good enough that we all have the freedom to build whatever organization we want as long as others can do the same?
This is a no-win situation for the BSA (and christianity). There is always a clamor for inclusion of persons that refuse to abide by God's law, but when crimes are committed, the BSA is crucified, accused of being complacent, lambasted for not confirming to "modern" standards, chided for being "accepting" of said crimes, but by God they shall not prohibit those that stand against God!
Isn't the real issue that some feel it acceptable to let rules slide to fit their lifestyle, while others do not? The BSA is a christian associated organization, with most troops and packs chartered by christian churches. While some christian groups have become accepting of gays, the vast majority are merely tolerant, and will not accept gays into their membership.
Rather than force inclusion, why doesn't the LGBT community start their own organization to instill values in youth? If the BSA et. al. are the last holdouts of a bygone era (as is claimed so often), what trouble would they have gaining acceptance for such an endevour? What is the agenda of the LGBT community? Speak your side and let people make informed decisions, or beat them into submission?
Kwame Appiah
10:02 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
"Rather than force inclusion, why doesn't the LGBT community start their own organization to instill values in youth?"
I love that idea, they could call it the "Rainbow Rangers" or some other warm and fuzzy politically correct name. Of course it will never happen, because there is no one in the "gay community" that is willing to step up to the plate on a national level and make such a commitment, because in the event if fails it would be an affirmation that their agenda truly is not accepted by the majority.
Fortunately, for those of us in the "straight community" (never hear that term used, eh?), we have a group like the Boy Scouts of America who takes a stand against political correctness and does what is right. Young impressionable boys already have enough negative influences in their lives by way of mass media (Glee, DeGrassi, TV, magazines, etc...) trying to mainstream the gay agenda under the guise of tolerance, but at least they, or their parents, can change the channel or turn the page if it becomes too uncomfortable or outright disgusting for them to tolerate.
Thank you BSA for making the tough decision!
Greg Tompkins
8:10 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
These two options are both correct IMO. Discrimination and prejudice is harmful to everyone, those practicing it as well as the those targeted by it. So Yes, the BSA is missing an opportunity to show value in all people.
However, we, in the US, have long interpreted the right to assemble and right to free speech to include the right to free association. So the BSA have every right to exclude portions of society.
I, in turn, have the freedom to associate with them or not based on their position. I am not nor have ever been a boy scout, but I wish I was. Not because I share this perspective with them, but I see a lot of good that they teach young men and I woudl like to be able to teach some of those to others myself.
I believe that the way to reform an organization is not to join in hateful rhetoric, but rather to guide it by using ones influence. As noted in the article, one of the reasons this outdated plocy is still being carried is because "parents" want it. So if more parents would participate in BSA that disagreed with this policy it would be eradicated over time.
Imagine that, it would work just as our forefathers imagined without all this nonsensical legal wrangling and homophobic ranting.
Glenn Goodman
10:41 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Very good post - thoughtful, dispassionate, objective! We make our own choices, and must deal with the consequences in the end. Thank God this country is still free enough that we have options.
JoSCh
5:11 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Great post.
And the fact of the matter is that there are plenty of gay people involved with the scouts, just like there were plenty of gays in the armed forces. DADT is alive and well in scouting, and there are many parents who couldn't care less.
Rusty L. Jones
9:21 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I understand that this is a sensitive issue and I will be as delicate as I can, but allowing a homosexual male to gain a position of power and be a leader in the Boy Scouts is the same as allowing a heterosexual male to do the same with the Girl Scouts. I'm not implying any type of immoral stereotype here, just good old fashion common sense - something that is not as common as you would think.
Darlene Duseberg
11:02 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
This is the best observation I've read here so far. I would add one more question: Have you ever read any problems with the Catholic church and priests?
Daniel C. Limata
8:18 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
As an Eagle SCout and former Scoutmaster I take serious umbrage with the Scouting organization. It seems to much of the world the words "gay" and "pedophile" are synonmys. In my years in scouting, yes I saw evidence of homosexual behavior but it was NEVER directed at the children. Scount should be about inclusion, learning, and caring: not discrimination. The BSA has not nor will they receive any contibutions from me until they cast off this tired and biased attitude and accept all people for what they are.
John H
3:59 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
The parameter of the poll question is too broad. By participants, does it mean both Scouts (age 6 to 18) and Leaders?
The Boy Scouts of America takes youth protection very seriously and is obligated to safeguard the millions of boys whose well-being they are entrusted with. BSA as a national association has to draw a hard line regardless of whether it hurts the organization or not.
Many Scouts don’t really understand that they are gay at the time of their participation in the program. If an acknowledged gay leader has contact, there is a potential for unsuitable interaction, ranging from counseling regarding the subject outside of the boy’s family environment to terrible abuse by a predator. BSA absolutely has to, by law, do everything in its power to protect the children. The failure to do so results in horrible suffering by the victims. For example, Penn State, The Catholic Church.
stanley seigler
10:40 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
@John H: '...For example, Penn State, The Catholic Church.'
For example, Penn State, The Catholic Church, the citadel, pinewood, and how many are covered up...and
you really dont want to get into the abuse in homes/institutions for those with disabilities...then we have the family (eg, susan's smith's step bastard dad)...
and how many are being covered up...eg, PS covered up for at least a decade.
all that said, is homosexuality being confused with pedophilia...eg, the penn state BASTARD was not a homosexual...further;
to my knowledge, it was not homosexuals who covered abuse by the good fathers and the PS coach...
opine: believe the homosexuals would not cover up this deviant abuse any more that the straights do/did...also;
i believe a person is born with homosexuality. it's not developed thru contact...of course i am naive when it comes to such issues.
JoSCh
11:01 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
homosexuality being confused with pedophilia...eg, the penn state BASTARD was not a homosexual...further;
Just another example of the increasingly radicalized Republicans failing to understand what words mean Stanley.
I wonder if anyone can provide an example of a homosexual pedophile. I can name a lbunch ot of married pedos, a bunch of religious pedos, a bunch of Republican pedos, but I honestly can't think of a gay pedo. I'm sure there must be one. Yeah, but I'm much more inclined to trust my kids with a gay friend than a priest or a politician.
John H
10:34 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
To Stanley and JoSCh; “For example, Penn State, The Catholic Church, the citadel, pinewood, and how many are covered up...and
I did not mention pedophiles. I wrote “predators”. Pedophiles are not the only potential perpetrators of sexual abuse to impressionable boys. Sexual is not the only type of abuse. There also is physical (hazing) and mental (neglect and inappropriate indoctrination) to name a few. Please note that both adults and youths, also hetero and homo sexuals can perpetrate abusive behavior toward a Scout. The BSA is dedicated to keeping the youths in the organization safe. They require parents and Adult Leaders to train, recognize, and report abuse.
The example I offered of Penn State and the Catholic Church is an example of failure of entrusted institutions to protect the youths and report abuse, not to equate homosexuals with pedophiles.
http://www.scouting.org/filestore/ypt/pdf/100-015.pdf
http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/GSS/gss01.aspx
BSA has adopted policies to eliminate the potential for abuse but it still happens causing great suffering of the victims. Therefore it should come as no surprise that the BSA errs on the side of safety when it considered its recent decision.
To JoSCh; …”radicalized Republicans failing to understand what words mean Stanley.”
In order to understand what words mean you have to read them correctly. I wrote predators.
stanley seigler
2:02 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
@John H: 'The example I offered of Penn State and the Catholic Church is an example of failure of entrusted institutions to protect the youths and report abuse, not to equate homosexuals with pedophiles... I wrote predators.'
agree there is criminal failure of entrusted institutions (and government agencies) to protect our children and the least...
tho you did seem to relate...assume you correctly do not relate homosexuals with pedophiles...apologies for my misunderstanding...
so now to the issue...just what is your position re homosexuals in the BSA...do you believe homosexuals are more likely to be pedophiles than straights...
JoSCh
7:21 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Here is exactly what he typed
"If an acknowledged gay leader has contact, there is a potential for unsuitable interaction, ranging from counseling regarding the subject outside of the boy’s family environment to terrible abuse by a predator."
This says that a gay person is MORE LIKELY to be a "predator" and also says that the fact that some people are gay is unsuitable interaction that requires counselling. And while I do acknowledge that I misread your exact wording, it's abundantly clear what you meant. Just admit that you think gay people aren't worthy of the rights of other people, embrace your bigotry and move on. I assume I'll be waiting forever to see an example of a gay pedo as the men in the Catholic church and at Penn State weren't. Come to think of it, you attend church, right? Coach any youth sports?
John H
10:33 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
To JoSCh; "I do acknowledge that I misread your exact wording,"
The great JoSCh admitted he made a mistake. This is momentus.
I do admit that my initial reaction would be of much trepidation to sending my boys off to a weekend trip or weeklong summer camp with a Gay man. It's just the way I'm wired. I'm sure many parents feel the same way. But I can certainly overcome it, given time.
"I assume I'll be waiting forever to see an example of a gay pedo "
I have no knowlege of such things and never claimed to have.
stanley seigler
1:18 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
@John H:
"I [josch] assume I'll be waiting forever to see an example of a gay pedo"...I [johnh] have no knowlege of such things and never claimed to have.
perhaps john h makes the mistake many/most of us do...stating our prejudices as facts when indeed we 'have no knowledge of such things.'...then;
we crawfish when asked for specifics...
but an interesting point arose from this discussion...seems all media accounts of 'yute' abuse is perpetuated by straights...and by the most trusted straights: priest and coaches...cant recall media account of homosexual abuse of our youth...
OTOH who knows what goes unreported...another thought/opine: seems an openly gay person is less likely to abuse than a closeted straight predator.
now my turn to crawfish...i 'have no knowledge of such things.'
John H
1:23 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
To Stanley; “so now to the issue...just what is your position…
A fair question presented in the spirit of objectivity, very refreshing.
This is an issue that is intensely personal to me. I do not myself have a problem with Gays including Gay Scouters. However, I have to support BSA’s decision for the reasons I gave. I believe it’s for the greater good for now.
The BSA has made a tough choice, and my previous statements followed by an admission that it is difficult to overcome something that you have learned since childhood. It’s hard to teach an old, bigoted, and flawed dog new tricks.
As far as whether or not homosexuals are more likely to be pedophiles, I’ll leave that one to the PHD’s.
JoSCh
2:26 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Yeah, it's momentus all right. I might be the first commenter on patch to admit a mistake. Still it's more or less a technicality, you meant that gay people are more likely to be predators towards kids than straight people.
You say that you'd feel trepidation, that it's the "way you're wired" and then say you may get over it given time which while a bit contradictory is also progress, which is great. How much longer do you think before your unfounded prejudice subsides?
JoSCh
2:36 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
John H, speaking of refreshing, way to own up.
I have to apologize for accusing you of being one of the increasingly radical Republicans, it would appear you're radical tendencies are less than I recall or you've toned it down, either way that is just great.
FWIW I support the BSAs right to exclude whomever they want, although I think they should lose their tax protection. Of course, I think pretty much all groups should lose their tax protection...
John H
9:40 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
To JoSCh: “How much longer do you think before….”
It’s not like there’s a switch that can be turned on and off. I constantly struggle to reconcile the realization that there is a higher power that put me here to find dignity and respect in all creations. It takes persistent effort and time with some setbacks. The timetable is not mine to control.
John H
10:05 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
To Stanley; …”interesting point arose from this discussion...seems all media accounts”
It does seem that when the media reports an abuse it is assumed the perp is a deviant and is gay. This is an unmerited characterization. Another thing for the PHd’s to clarify. Is there such a thing as an omnisexual?
JoSCh
11:19 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
It's assumed the perp is deviant and gay...
Well, they are deviant. And gays are deviant. But not all deviants are gay. Like how all squares are rectangles...
stanley seigler
11:40 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
@John H: '...it is assumed the perp is a deviant and is gay. This is an unmerited characterization...Is there such a thing as an omnisexual
not sure 'is assumed' and media does not say perp was a homosexual...
omnisexual above my pay grade...my point/concern is homosexuals are no more deviant (w/ respect to child abuse) than straights...but to continue with where i think you go: are there three sexes: male, female, homosexuals...
butt perhaps discussion is not related to the thread: 'Does Ban on Gays Hurt Boy Scout Organization' and nuff said...
John H
9:37 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
To Stanley; “…discussion is not related to the thread: 'Does Ban on Gays Hurt Boy Scout Organization' and nuff said...
Capital idea. I think that on an ideological plane the decision hurt. The courage wasn’t there to go against the wishes of the parents. However, as far as membership and enrollment numbers, it may have kept parents from pulling their children out of the program. Just my opinion from observing the reaction of members from other institutions that took an inclusive stance.
JoSCh
9:56 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
"... as far as membership and enrollment numbers, it may have kept parents from pulling their children out of the program. Just my opinion from observing the reaction of members from other institutions that took an inclusive stance."
I can't think of anything LESS American. And few things as sad. Alas Babylon.
Tiffany
9:37 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
The Boy Scouts were founded on Biblical principles to teach young boys to be honorable men, right? So why is there any question as to whether or not to allow men who like to have sex with other men into the equation? It is the boyscouts for crying out loud! What you do in your bedroom should stay in the bedroom and not forced on young boys who may have the boy scouts as the only means to show them how to be a man. I'm tired of society being forced to "accept" what someone chooses to do in the bedroom! It's gone too far now when it comes to forcing our CHILDREN to accept it!!!!!
JoSCh
10:54 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Scouting has nothing to do with sex, gay or otherwise, and I'm not sure where you're having sex that children have to accept it. I'm glad my kids aren't in your scout group.
SDR
10:13 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
@JoSCh
I'm not claiming tolerance....and I think you are misinformed as of the meaning.
Definition of tolerance
noun
1 [mass noun] the ability or willingness to tolerate the existence of opinions or behaviour that one dislikes or disagrees with:
Not that it matters to you.
JoSCh
10:24 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
Oh, so it's just the reply button, reading comprehension, and being a decent human that are difficult for you. I'm glad you found the dictionary but be careful; if you learn things you may lose your regressive tendencies and won't have as many things to hate.
SDR
11:26 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
See?
Too clever by by half
JoSCh
11:54 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
I'd much rather be confident and right than confident and wrong. Seriously, quit being so stupid and then acting like it's the right thing to do, like it's ok.
SDR
12:10 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
So you are the arbiter of right? You parrot some silliness you paid to hear and IT is right. There is nothing new under the sun and this too shall pass away.
JoSCh
2:46 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Are you just stringing together aphorisims now?
I can certainly identify what is right and wrong, if that makes me the arbiter of right in your mind then so be it. You think I paid to figure out that all men are equal? Nah, that's free info. In fact some of us think it's self evident.
Robert Kelly
8:15 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
What is difficult to understand is how the defenders of the BSA claim they are supporting boys at a critical time in their lives and helping them to move into responsible adulthood...but they don't want to do this for the benefit of boys who are, or might be, gay! Why don't you want gay boys to have a safe haven and the training to be responsible adults? Boys of that age bracket who are gay have enough issues of confusion and doubt already, and the BSA doesn't want anything to do with them either? Nice attitude. Thanks for nothing. The last thing we as a society want is for young gay children (yes, boy scouts are still children even as they work toward Eagle Scout) to have good role models for responsible adult behavior and self development and self respect.
By the way, I can't remember but I am sure someone here can help with remembering what the argument was 100 years ago when the BSA would not accept boys of color into the organization?
JoSCh
10:03 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Safe haven? Amongst all those Republicans, deeply religious, and married men? Hardly a safe haven, nobody rapes as many boys as that unholy trinity.
/just kidding, sort of. The numbers actually do prove that out
// still waiting on a pedo that isn't at least one of the unholy trinity, I have literally hundreds that ARE.
stanley seigler
11:34 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
@Robert Kelly: '...Why don't you want gay boys to have a safe haven and the training to be responsible adults... the argument was 100 years ago when the BSA would not accept boys of color into the organization?'
thanks for crystallizing the issue...
'pray there aint no hell'...we (normals?) have much to answer for...eg, 100 yrs ago making children of color feel inferior...and now making those of different emotional tendencies feel they have to hide in a closet...
indeed Jesus wept/weeps...
stanley seigler
12:31 am on Thursday, July 26, 2012
JoSCh: '...just kidding, sort of...'
just kidding and humor sometimes get to the truth...
re: indeed Jesus wept/weeps...[stanley]
PS. is weeping...as are we all who care and are not controlled by our prejudices.
martin, bob
3:25 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Does Ban on Gays Hurt Boy Scout Organization?
No 67%
It is the organization's right to limit their membership.
JoSCh
3:41 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Third straight post that doesn't contain a lie. Way to go!
reg
3:52 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
scamper bob is scampering from poll page to poll page to repeat the results of unscientific polls. (again, you can sign in with as many different user names as you like, and repeat votes over and over again, too, but you're not making people overlook the disclaimer term "this is not a scientific poll")